Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:27 pm

SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:46 pm

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:42 pm If you base induction on talent alone, Brown is a slam dunk. However, with all his off-the-field, and personality issues, I can see him not being inducted. There are definitely guys who aren't in based on what they did off-the-field who were really good.

As I understand it that would be Jim Tyrer, Darren Sharper, and Antonio Brown. Anyone else that was good enough by consensus and is out solely due to off field actions?

Ray Lewis is in the HOF. They clearly did not take into account his off-the-field history.

It's been clearly established that Ray Lewis never held a knife on the night those two men were stabbed. Any crime committed by Ray occurred only after the stabbings occurred. That's not akin to a murder/suicide, or multiple rapes.

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:27 pm Ray Lewis is in the HOF. They clearly did not take into account his off-the-field history.

And raises the question of OJ Simpson never being kicked out. But, OJ, never convicted of course, liable, not not guilty. However, Lewis, IMO, didn't do the murder but if I understand right, he was there and then helped cover up.

Brown will likely be like Sharper. Just ignored.

SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:46 pm

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:42 pm If you base induction on talent alone, Brown is a slam dunk. However, with all his off-the-field, and personality issues, I can see him not being inducted. There are definitely guys who aren't in based on what they did off-the-field who were really good.

As I understand it that would be Jim Tyrer, Darren Sharper, and Antonio Brown. Anyone else that was good enough by consensus and is out solely due to off field actions?

What about Justin Tucker?

conace21 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:49 pm

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:27 pm

SeahawkFever wrote: ↑Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:46 pm

As I understand it that would be Jim Tyrer, Darren Sharper, and Antonio Brown. Anyone else that was good enough by consensus and is out solely due to off field actions?

Ray Lewis is in the HOF. They clearly did not take into account his off-the-field history.

It's been clearly established that Ray Lewis never held a knife on the night those two men were stabbed. Any crime committed by Ray occurred only after the stabbings occurred. That's not akin to a murder/suicide, or multiple rapes.

So it's not criminal intent to hire someone to murder someone for you? And to hide the evidence? I believe at least tampering with evidence is considered a felony.

Talk about coddling athletes with money--if Brown has any left--but he isnt even behind bars for attempted murder? He gets house arrest. Aint America Great for some people?

He is probably watching the tv series, or movie The Fugitive, coming up with escape ideas ... haha

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 6:46 pm

conace21 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:49 pm

sluggermatt15 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:27 pm

Ray Lewis is in the HOF. They clearly did not take into account his off-the-field history.

It's been clearly established that Ray Lewis never held a knife on the night those two men were stabbed. Any crime committed by Ray occurred only after the stabbings occurred. That's not akin to a murder/suicide, or multiple rapes.

So it's not criminal intent to hire someone to murder someone for you? And to hide the evidence? I believe at least tampering with evidence is considered a felony.

Murder for hire? Where are you getting that from? Lewis never met the two men who were killed. They were killed in a brawl, not a planned hit. Ray Lewis never hired anyone to commit murder.

Tampering with evidence is a felony. So I'll repeat it: Any crime committed by Ray occurred only after the stabbings.

Well, how convenient ... with Brown up for potential HOF induction, with the preliminary list coming out soon, first the person that Brown SHOT at, decides to forgive him and withdraw from the prosecution's case. Then, with lawyers money can buy, he gets a plea deal that he accepts, for aggravated assault, despite using another man's gun? He will get only probation, no jail time, or fines, just staying away from the victim. Dont we all love our criminal justice system?

Will the voters still punish him by not voting him in, and making him wait? We will see as the cutdowns move along.

The plea deal is not about the best lawyers money can buy, but decision by the "victim" to not cooperate, meaning the prosecution has no path forward to win a conviction. Hall has made it clear (both in action and I suspect in clear communication to voters) that voters can't consider or raise off the field legal issues of candidates BUT in the case of ABrown, the voters don't need to even go that direction, can simply justify not electing him (for what I suspect will be years) as he walked off the field during a game-thats all they need to ignore his case.