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Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2026 2:25 am
by CSKreager
74_75_78_79_ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 13, 2025 10:54 pm
Dallas, in '92 and the following years, had
such the team-
speed! And, of course, the coaching led by Jimmy. With no running game, Dan wouldn't have had much less problems against that Dallas D than he did vs San Fran eight years prior. Big D may have not beaten Mia/Pit/Hou/SD by a score of 59-17 (which is what the final score
should have been in the real SB vs Bills), but it still would have been lopsided and not a memorable game. Their D may have not forced 9 turnovers, but likely multiple ones just the same thus a convincing victory.
Steelers were in their first year under Cowher, more improvement to come, and even in those more-improved years shortly after, they simply couldn't solve that team now under Switzer. With Jimmy (Wanny & Norv) at helm, Dallas
does win convincingly over the 'Burgh in SBXXVII. Oilers defense was not all-that; needed Buddy the following year though he'd kill the locker room. Pardee & Co so outmatched in a SB event against them as well. San Diego? Ross an underrated HC, but still not JImmy nor was his staff to his staff. Nothing against Stan, but you don't think he throws INTs as well against that high-speed swagger-some Dallas D?
No AFC team gives Dallas a challenge in SBXXVII in my opinion. And I hated that team in real time! They being that superior (owning my Steelers) being the reason.
Dallas had no swagger or team speed. They took advantage of a weak NFC where their only competition was Brett “INT” Favre and a good but not great SF team
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2026 3:04 am
by SeahawkFever
CSKreager wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2026 2:25 am
74_75_78_79_ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 13, 2025 10:54 pm
Dallas, in '92 and the following years, had
such the team-
speed! And, of course, the coaching led by Jimmy. With no running game, Dan wouldn't have had much less problems against that Dallas D than he did vs San Fran eight years prior. Big D may have not beaten Mia/Pit/Hou/SD by a score of 59-17 (which is what the final score
should have been in the real SB vs Bills), but it still would have been lopsided and not a memorable game. Their D may have not forced 9 turnovers, but likely multiple ones just the same thus a convincing victory.
Steelers were in their first year under Cowher, more improvement to come, and even in those more-improved years shortly after, they simply couldn't solve that team now under Switzer. With Jimmy (Wanny & Norv) at helm, Dallas
does win convincingly over the 'Burgh in SBXXVII. Oilers defense was not all-that; needed Buddy the following year though he'd kill the locker room. Pardee & Co so outmatched in a SB event against them as well. San Diego? Ross an underrated HC, but still not JImmy nor was his staff to his staff. Nothing against Stan, but you don't think he throws INTs as well against that high-speed swagger-some Dallas D?
No AFC team gives Dallas a challenge in SBXXVII in my opinion. And I hated that team in real time! They being that superior (owning my Steelers) being the reason.
Dallas had no swagger or team speed. They took advantage of a weak NFC where their only competition was Brett “INT” Favre and a good but not great SF team
Favre was a gunslinger and threw a lot of interceptions of course. But to be fair, most of the interceptions people remember him throwing were in the 2000’s, not the 90’s.
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2026 4:18 am
by Brian wolf
CSKreager wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2026 2:25 am
74_75_78_79_ wrote: ↑Sat Dec 13, 2025 10:54 pm
Dallas, in '92 and the following years, had
such the team-
speed! And, of course, the coaching led by Jimmy. With no running game, Dan wouldn't have had much less problems against that Dallas D than he did vs San Fran eight years prior. Big D may have not beaten Mia/Pit/Hou/SD by a score of 59-17 (which is what the final score
should have been in the real SB vs Bills), but it still would have been lopsided and not a memorable game. Their D may have not forced 9 turnovers, but likely multiple ones just the same thus a convincing victory.
Steelers were in their first year under Cowher, more improvement to come, and even in those more-improved years shortly after, they simply couldn't solve that team now under Switzer. With Jimmy (Wanny & Norv) at helm, Dallas
does win convincingly over the 'Burgh in SBXXVII. Oilers defense was not all-that; needed Buddy the following year though he'd kill the locker room. Pardee & Co so outmatched in a SB event against them as well. San Diego? Ross an underrated HC, but still not JImmy nor was his staff to his staff. Nothing against Stan, but you don't think he throws INTs as well against that high-speed swagger-some Dallas D?
No AFC team gives Dallas a challenge in SBXXVII in my opinion. And I hated that team in real time! They being that superior (owning my Steelers) being the reason.
Dallas had no swagger or team speed. They took advantage of a weak NFC where their only competition was Brett “INT” Favre and a good but not great SF team
The Cowboy's defensive team speed overwhelmed Philly and Buffalo in the 1992/93 SB. They forced Steve Young into mistakes, though the 49ers made the game closer in the NFC championship.
In 1993, that same defense overwhelmed the Packers while helping the team build a 28-7 lead over the 49ers where Bernie Kosar finished them off in the second half. The defense then shut out the Bills in the second half of the SB. Sure and the hell looked like swagger to me, those back-to-back seasons.
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2026 9:15 am
by 7DnBrnc53
In 1993, that same defense overwhelmed the Packers while helping the team build a 28-7 lead over the 49ers where Bernie Kosar finished them off in the second half. The defense then shut out the Bills in the second half of the SB. Sure and the hell looked like swagger to me, those back-to-back seasons.
The Bills didn't have anything left in the second half of SB 28. Also, the Packers and Brett Favre were overrated, even with Reggie White. That 1993 team was no real contender. They were lucky that Erik Kramer served up a gopher ball to George Teague. Take that play away, and GB probably would have lost.
Also, I wonder if that changes the trajectory of Kramer's career if Detroit wins. Maybe he stays, and they don't offer Marino's backup (Scott Mitchell) way too much money.
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2026 5:37 pm
by saturdaysarebetter
It seemed set up for Miami in 1985. They had defeated the undefeated Chicago Bears in the regular season. They would host the New England Patriots in Miami in the AFC Championship Game and they had already defeated the Patriots less than a month earlier on December 16th in Miami 30-27. So it was not a matter of if they could beat the Patriots because they had already done so.
In typical Marino big game fashion, he would throw two interceptions and was only 20-for-48 passing with a 54.9 quarterback rating. Meanwhile, his far-less heralded counterpart, Tony Eason was 10-for-12 passing with three touchdowns and no interceptions.
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:45 am
by 74_75_78_79_
saturdaysarebetter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 5:37 pm
It seemed set up for Miami in 1985. They had defeated the undefeated Chicago Bears in the regular season. They would host the New England Patriots in Miami in the AFC Championship Game and they had already defeated the Patriots less than a month earlier on December 16th in Miami 30-27. So it was not a matter of if they could beat the Patriots because they had already done so.
In typical Marino big game fashion, he would throw two interceptions and was only 20-for-48 passing with a 54.9 quarterback rating. Meanwhile, his far-less heralded counterpart, Tony Eason was 10-for-12 passing with three touchdowns and no interceptions.
Dolphin-fans had to feel good going into the playoffs on that 7-game tear to finish atop the division at 12-4. Not just beating da Bears and aformentioned NE, but starting it off with a win over the Jets. Just one problem, Raiders were top-seed and had a hold on them the years leading up. Barely beating the 8-8 Browns couldn't have been encouraging; perhaps it was a signal of what was to immediately come. But then the Pats upset the Raiders and Dolphin-fans had to feel good.
Still, it would have had to be quite tough for anyone to imagine Miami beating Chicago
twice! Me, personally at the time, I correctly saw the Pats beating the Raiders ahead of time because of that very reason (Raiders winning their regular season game, and not being able to do it again). And knowing the Dolphins beat the Pats the last time they played them, I saw NE winning that one as well.
Going into '86, what were all your takes on how Dan & Co would bounce back? Did you all see the immediate playoff drought already?
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2026 12:05 pm
by saturdaysarebetter
Even though Lorenzo Hampton averaged 4.5 ypc (186/830), Ron Davenport 4.2 ypc (75/314), Tony Nathan 7.5 ypc (27/203), Woody Bennett 4.5 ypc (36/162) and as a team the Dolphins averaged 4.4 yards per carry (so much for having no running game Marino excuse makers as plenty of Super Bowl-winning teams won with lesser yards per carry rushing!), Shula became enamored with his shiny quarterback who threw a league high 623 passes which led to high-scoring shootouts. Miami's defense had regressed and when your quarterback throws 23 interceptions and your defense only makes 13 interceptions, losing the turnover battle is not an ingredient for success.
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2026 12:53 pm
by CSKreager
saturdaysarebetter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2026 12:05 pm
Even though Lorenzo Hampton averaged 4.5 ypc (186/830), Ron Davenport 4.2 ypc (75/314), Tony Nathan 7.5 ypc (27/203), Woody Bennett 4.5 ypc (36/162) and as a team the Dolphins averaged 4.4 yards per carry (so much for having no running game Marino excuse makers as plenty of Super Bowl-winning teams won with lesser yards per carry rushing!), Shula became enamored with his shiny quarterback who threw a league high 623 passes which led to high-scoring shootouts. Miami's defense had regressed and when your quarterback throws 23 interceptions and your defense only makes 13 interceptions, losing the turnover battle is not an ingredient for success.
And yet we’ve seen so many lesser QB’s get carried to championships because their coaches became enamored with running the ball that they didn’t need QB’s to do anything other than win the turnover battle
See: Bob Griese, Joe Theismann
Re: Marino's Best Shot Since '84?
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2026 4:59 pm
by saturdaysarebetter
You ever recall Marino audibling to a draw play? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? He wanted to throw every down. Shula should have reigned him in as Marino was about personal stats and glory and not winning.